see, the trouble with this is whilst i agree clarkson is a giant bellend at the best of times, and on that topic you’ll get no arguments BUT. this quote has been thrown out of context by the exclusion of what he said prior to that, that the protests were brilliant because london was so quiet. he THEN said, “but seeing as we’re on the bbc and we have to be unbiased” (paraphrasing) …then the line about having the strikers shot. so ill timed and beligerent? absolutely. but that is not anything new. people have moaned and complained about the quote above without even seeing the thing for themselves - something that we always berate the “other side” for doing. it’s sometimes good to remember that there are stupid, reactionary fools on both sides of the fence. we roll our eyes at people we percieve as “wrong” for complaining about so much and yet when someone says something that we don’t agree with and all hell breaks loose. we berate the likes of fox news for editing speech until it fits their liking yet when it’s done on ‘our’ behalf, we say nothing. that’s the beautiful thing about freedom of speech - people can say what they like but we always have the right to reply and tell those people how wrong they are. that works both ways whether people agree with it or not and people ought to remember that sometimes.
Friday, 25 November 2011
Christian Logic. No! Really!
Believe it or not, this is a theological argument used by the Christian apologist, Norman Geisler. I have taken it from “Why I became an Atheist: A Former Preacher Rejects Christianity” by John W. Loftus.
Supposedly, each step leads inexorably to the next in a ‘logical’ progression towards a therefore irrefutable conclusion:
Truth about reality is knowable.
Opposites cannot both be true.
The theistic God exists.
Miracles are possible.
Miracles performed in connection with a truth claim are acts of God to confirm the truth of Gods through a messenger of God.
The New Testament documents are reliable.
As Witnessed in the New Testament, Jesus claimed to be God.
Jesus’ claim do divinity was proven by a unique convergence of miracles.
Therefore, Jesus was God in human flesh.
Whatever Jesus (who is God) affirmed as truth, is true.
Jesus affirmed that the Bible is the word of God and whatever is opposed to any biblical truth is false.
Can anyone discern a logical progression leading inexorably and irrefutably to the conclusion here? Apart from maybe the first two points, is there anything which is more than just an assertion or a statement of faith, with no connection with the preceding statement?
Let’s see if it works with some other proposition. Let’s see if we can use this method to ‘prove’ that the Pacific Ocean is composed of Scotch Whisky.
Truth about Whisky is knowable.
Opposites cannot both be true.
The Pacific Ocean is compose of Scotch Whisky.
Scotch Whisky is possible.
Scotch Whisky made in connection with the claim that the Pacific Ocean is made of Scotch Whisky is an act of people who distil Scotch Whisky to confirm the truth of the claim.
This blog is reliable.
As witnessed in this blog, the Pacific Ocean is composed of Scotch Whisky.
The claim that the Pacific Ocean is made of Scotch Whisky has been proven by the miracle of sea water turning into Scotch Whisky in the Pacific Ocean.
Therefore the Pacific Ocean is composed of Scotch Whisky.
Whatever is affirmed in this blog is true.
This blog affirms that the Pacific Ocean is composed of Scotch Whisky and whatever opposes the truth in this blog is false.
YAYHEY! It works!
Pacific Ocean, Made of Scotch Whisky
So, we have proved beyond any possible shadow of a doubt that the Pacific Ocean if composed of Scotch Whisky. AND, anything which opposes that, including scientific analysis, is false. So that proves it, then!
So, given that devastating demonstration of the wondrous power of this theological reasoning, how can anyone now seriously doubt the existence of the Christian god and the truth of the Bible?
Well, that, folks, is the standard of ‘logic’ which convinces religious people and so gives them the self-confidence to dispense ‘truth’ to the rest of us and to pontificate on and interfere in all aspects of our lives, the education of our children, our laws and our legal system.
Or is it just the clever-sounding hogwash they use to bamboozle the people they fleece for a living and to gain a power and trust they could never earn on merit?
Michelle Bachmann: “Don’t misunderstand. I am not here bashing people who are homosexuals, who are lesbians, who are bisexual, who are transgender. We need to have profound compassion for people who are dealing with the very real issue of sexual dysfunction in their life and sexual identity disorders.” (2004)
Ron Paul: “The rate of AIDS infection is on the increase again. From the gay point of view, the reasons seem quite sensible. First, these men don’t really see a reason to live past their fifties. They are not married, they have no children, and their lives are centered on new sexual partners… because sex is the center of their lives, they want it to be as pleasurable as possible, which means unprotected sex. Third, they enjoy the attention & pity that comes with being sick.” (1995 in a newsletter)
Rick Perry: “I’m not ashamed to admit that I’m a Christian, but you don’t need to be in the pew every Sunday to know there’s something wrong in this country when gays can serve openly in the military but our kids can’t openly celebrate Christmas or pray in school. ” (2011 in a campaign ad)
Mitt Romney: “I should tell my story. I’m also unemployed.” (2011 while speaking to unemployed people in Florida. Romney’s net worth is over $200 million.)
Newt Gingrich: “She’s not young enough or pretty enough to be the wife of the President. And besides, she has cancer.” (1994, about his first wife)
Rick Santorum: “Is anyone saying same-sex couples can’t love each other? I love my children. I love my friends, my brother. Heck, I even love my mother-in-law. Should we call these relationships marriage, too?” (2008)
Michelle Bachmann: “Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.” (2009 during a debate)
Mitt Romney: “PETA is not happy that my dog likes fresh air.” (2006, when questioned about driving 12 hours with his dog in a cage strapped to the top of his car)
Admittedly, i only skimmed the article, but this quote alone should give you a pretty good idea of how awful they are.
EDIT: I also just learned of this:
Of course, the bigotry of the Salvation Army proved to be deadly towards a transgender woman in Austin, Texas just before Christmas in 2008.
Two years ago today trans woman Jennifer Gale was found dead sleeping on an Austin sidewalk outside a homeless shelter run by the Salvation Army.
because they refused to take her in.
I want everybody to understand what happened here. They refused to take in a trans woman, and she died as a result. They killed a trans woman. Killed. Because they “disagreed with her lifestyle”.
You wanna know why I can’t just be all “oh well, it’s their opinion, they’re entitled to it” when it comes to bigotry? This. This is fucking why.
i was just telling my dad’s missus all about the evils of the sally army this past weekend. as with organisations like PETA, you should really look into what these organisations get up to and what they’re going to do with your donations before you give them anything.
My name is Wayne Maines, I live in Old Town. I have a 13-year-old transgender daughter. In the beginning, I was not onboard with this reality. Like many of you I doubted transgender children could exist, I doubted my wife and I doubted our counselors and doctors. However I never doubted my love for my child. It was only through observing her pain and her suffering and examining my lack of knowledge about these issues did I begin to question my behavior and my conservative values. I learned that the medical standard of care requires parents seek assistance from a panel of experts. We did this and our team of doctors recommended my daughter to live fully as a girl. We cannot turn back now.
When my daughter lost her privileges at school and both children and adults targeted her, I knew I had to change and I have never looked back.
When we moved to Maine, it was clear my daughter was transitioning from male to female with us or without us. She used the girl’s bathroom with no fanfare; she was confident and very social. Her strong personality helped the entire school transition right along side of her. She was proud and secure with herself and when people asked at the young age of six she openly stated that she was a girl trapped in a boy’s body.
The transformation was amazing, but her happiness would not last. Unfortunately the fears of others would destroy everything that our team of doctors, teachers, school counselors, friends and classmates had work so hard to establish.
I know that it is difficult for some of you to understand the needs of transgender children. You only need to spend some time with these kids to see that they are struggling and suffering beyond your imagination only because they are singled out and misunderstood. They are just like your children and grandchildren; they have the same hopes and the same dreams.
In the fifth grade because of significant negative exposure we had to take drastic measures to protect her from harm, including splitting our family up to go in hiding and we are not the only family that has had to do so. When she was told she could no longer use the appropriate bathroom her confidence and self-esteem took a major hit. Prior to this my daughter often said, “Dad being transgender is no big deal, my friends and I have it under control.” I was very proud of her. It was only when adults became involved with their unfounded fears that her world would be turned upside down. “She came to me crying and asked, “Daddy what did I do wrong? Daddy please fix this?” That is what dads do — we fix things. I had to break her heart and say, “You have not done anything wrong sweetie, but Mommy and I do not know how to fix this, but we will try.”
Continuing to single these kids out is not necessary. Having the opportunity to use the bathrooms of their true gender is essential for these kids’ well being. This bill places transgender children in a position of doom and hopelessness. This bill tells my daughter that she does not have the same rights as her classmates and reinforces her opinion that she has no future. Help me give her the future she deserves. Do not pass this bill.
- Wayne Maines, in a testimony against Maine’s proposed bill which would allow the operator of a restroom or shower facility to decide who can use which gender’s restroom based upon “biological sex.”
Originally posted by Joanne Herman at Huffington Post (follow link to read her commentary on this amazing testimony)